My opinion about Charles Ngo`s and Ivan Ong`s posts

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Hey guys if you visit CPA Blogs regularly you might have seen this post from Charles Ngo about Ivans PPV Coaching and ivans response here . I just wanted to share my opinion about both these people as many people asked me about my opinion once Charles posted about Ivan on his blog. In fact there were two posts made on my Facebook group as well which were reported by Ivan Ong but i decided not to take them down to keep a healthy discussion going on the group without any censorship .

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Before continuing with this post i would like to say that i myself am coaching people about PPV. However being a blogger it is my responsibility to stay neutral and provide you with the facts and what i think about all this situation with all my honesty, and i not to favor any of them. I have never met any of them and both are well respect names in the industry; I have known Ivan for more then a year now and i am Charles s loyal reader for years now also. But just because i coach too doesn't mean i have the right to bash anyone else in the industry who is doing a good job. I waited for Ivans response and dust to settle before i published this post so that we have opinions from both sides.

From Charles prospective

First of all about Charles post, I asked and inquired through a friend who attended Ivans coaching and so far my conclusion is it is simple coaching, however i must admit he covers everything very well, even the small things. I would also say that this information can be found for free as well if you take some time and want to learn, the internet is huge and you can find out about anything you want. In fact when i started off i had no money to pay to any coach etc but i learned everything from free resources which helped me to get started! But that obviously took some time and i was able to make an initial income to get started. At that time i used to think there is a secret method or way which you can make big bucks, however later i realized the biggest secret in this industry is that there is no secret. In this prospective, Charles is right when we compare the price with the content provided.

From Ivans prospective

I dont agree with the price Ivan is charging (If i am not wrong $1997 ) but we should also keep in mind that he is charging for his own time and being a coach myself i do know how hard it is to manage your campaigns running as well as coach other affiliates as well. I personally coach a limited number of people per month and even that is sometimes hard for me to manage timings etc which is a tough job also Ivans argument is also valid that he doesnt force people to join his coaching they do so by their own choice, and as far as i know through my friends in the Asia region, his students do make good money and all the testimonials are legit. Then again, there are also those who ended up making nothing at all. Also as far as i know he recommends his students starting out with direct linking, but as a second step he recommends them to use landing pages, In my opinion it is always better to start with landing pages or even more better if you rotate between landing pages and direct linking campaigns but in my experience landing pages always perform better.

Conclusion

To conclude , In my opinion both sides are right on their own place, The thing is we need to know the purpose of coaching. Why do you want coaching is the question. Lets understand this if you think by attending some ones coaching you will be millionaire that is impossible, The purpose of the coaching is to help you learn the ropes, A coach shares with you his own experience what he has learned so that you can avoid making same mistakes as him this way you can succeed early as compared with a person who starts his learning process himself , A coachs job is to show you the way and show you how to deal with the things and the rest is on you… how you pick up things and learn. From my own experience when you start coaching for a fee they are more successful as compared to free coaching here is an example, I love the warriorforum as this is the place i started my affiliate marketing career from and i wanted to give back something to community. So in 2011 i offered 10 people free one on one coaching no strings attached. And the result was total waste of time out of 10 people one one took action … and that student is still making good money, And rest of them were free info seekers who just wasted my time and fled away.. After that i left everything and concentrated on my own business but soon enough i started receiving emails about coaching and few months later i started paid coaching but to limited numbers of people and the results were something new for me. I realized people who paid for the coaching were more serious and successful as compared to those who were free info seekers and that money i made form coaching surely helped and still helps to fuel my campaigns and increase my advertising budgets.

So weather you need a coach or not is totally up to you.. But in coaching if you are expecting some hidden secrets to be revealed that’s wrong instead you can also find same info from all over internet there are many forums out there on internet you can get help from. Affplaybook is a great forum or even warrior forum and Affiliate fix are great places or you can join My facebook Group or any other group or forum you can learn a lot form them but you only learn when you ask questions and on free groups,forums etc i have seen mainly people ask very basic questions which are already answered 1000 times and this is one of the reasons i don’t come online on any of the forums. On other hand in Paid forums usually members are those people who are much more serious about what they are doing so they are much more better places to learn. But if you need a person who can help you personally and advise you at the time this is the reason you should go and look for someone to coach you, but your success in your own hands if you take action and work hard you will succeed otherwise you wont succeed. We cant say Charles is wrong or Ivan is scammer because he is charging for his time and there is nothing wrong with that i do that as well.

Update : There is something wrong with fonts i am working on it.

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Comments

  1. Well said kj, but what i disagree more in ivan’s coach is to learn the second step from him, you need to pay another 3k singapore dollar.. It’s like you’ve just paid 3k for basic ppv stuff.. And need to pay again for landing page coaching and extra.. So maybe ivans is not a scammer, but he is trying to be a money sucking guru in my opinion..

    I think his coaching on 2011 was not like this. He used to say in his blog that he did not like to have many people (10+) to be coached by him at the same time. I’m not sure since when he started to become greedy and change his coaching method..

  2. why were the 2 FB groups reported by ivan ong? Can’t he explain himself to everyone? By dodging the issues and not addressing them, makes him less trustworthy for any potential/current students.

    Public bashing without evidence is not nice and can backfire on your reputation. There should be a reason or reasons why Charles lashed out at Ivan. Why would Charles endanger his reputation as a reliable source of affiliate knowledge?

    Instead of addressing urgent issues such as overfishing of Leadimpact and not giving reasons why Sam Sharen was kicked of his Facebook group, he has lost the trust of many which he has painfully built for years. His ignorance and arrogance due to greed has put Cpa affiliate marketers and this industry into a bad light.

  3. OUTSOURCE LIFE says:

    Too much drama in the industry, as per standards. I know for a fact no affiliate got into this business for drama. We did it for freedom…

  4. Well replied KJ Rockers. From your tone, I can see you are more mature and no biased.

    The name calling and despicable comment posts one after another in Charles Ngo’s blog post in “New to Mobile Marketing? Here’s What’s Making Money” looks like these are all from the same person out on revenge after he was kicked out of Ivan Ong’s FB groups. In one comment he even called the wife of a Ivan’s student, a prostitute. And what is unbelievable is Charles Ngo has continues to allow the blog post to be hijacked by him with rude comments and uploaded photo of others. So are Jodi and Anon, him.

    Like KJ Rocker, I have checked internally with some students of Ivan Ong. Sam Sharen was kicked out after he was found out cheated some students of Ivan and tarnished Ivan’s PPV method to them, and used Ivan’s FB groups for preying on the students. And he had in the past posted in Ivan’s FB groups he made money with Ivan’s direct linking method and thanked the seniors there.

    Too much circus indeed.

  5. the price is $3600 ( singapore dollars) and only teach basic things. too many innocent people. I attended and really regreted

  6. High Priced Newbie Course says:

    Please google about Ivan’s course before you sign up for it and regret. 3k is a lot of money. It is better to use that 3k for testing campaigns. Do not sign up. This will bring down his price! Cheerz~

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